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  congregational cliques

  by chuckyy in

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  it was my experience during my 13 yrs as a jw that congregations usually had a social clique.

  in other words, there would be a group of people in a congregation that would only associate (and sometimes only go out on field service too) with people within that social clique.

  if you were in the clique, fine.

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  Reefton Jack

  It varied from congregation to congregation.

  One I was with in the early eighties was very cliquey.

  The one I ended up with wasn't
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  What was your favorite thing about service?

  by Dustin in

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  i used to love break time.

  especially if it was afternoon service, and we stopped at taco bell.

  i used to be damn good at eating tacos in the car without spilling anything.

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  Reefton Jack

  I identify with those who have commented either "nothing" or "the end".\
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  Giving admonition via Watchtower writing department...

  by Bryan in

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  along the lines of old soul's plea to afin, and afin's in abiltily to provide scriptual guidance/proof/support for old soul's questions; i began to think.. have you ever given guidance/support/councel with the written publications because there were no scriptures?.

  when i was a mini-servant around 1984, there was a "brother" who would brag about his oral sex encounters with his new wife.

  i knew it was "wrong" (also a little crude), but i coundn't find a scripture for the councel.

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  Reefton Jack

  Yes, I would have to admit. Furthermore , I saw it done all the bloody time by others, too!
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  Midlife Crisis

  by jeanniebeanz in

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  your problem.

  you have been taught when relationships don't go well it is your responsibility to correct the situation.

  when you get angry it is okay for you to express that anger but "society" says he must be in control no matter the situation.

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  Reefton Jack

  This "crisis" does not necessarily erupt from out of nowhere, as might be uggested by this article.

  The issues that cause it can be festering away for many years,even decades beforehand - and certainly well before a man enters the 40 - 60 year old "Middle Age." Yes, I am speaking from experience here!

  Another thing I learned from experience: - having ones life already screwed up by Watch Tower Society didn't help.. Certainly not on the question of ones identity. (How could it - not only is the person you are told to be by THEM not you - it is also something that doesn't work!)
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  Declining Meeting Attendance-CO visit

  by TheListener in

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  2. beliefs

  so we have our circuit overseer this week.

  we're getting the crap kicked out of us (figuratively) for our meeting attendance.

  we have attendance in the 70% range for some of our meetings.

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  Reefton Jack

  This is following the comment by "doinmypart' that the "WT Hierarchy is so consumed with numbers."

  The reality is that the WTS is totally obsessed with numerical increase - and cares nothing for the welfare of people.

  Apparently, this is a legacy of Nathan Knorr - who took to running the "Organisation" like it was a business:

  e.g. God (I'm sorry,Jehovah!) help you if you did not place your twelve magazines per month ,

  -Or "Get" your ten hours in per month,

  - or have the effrontery to actually MISS a meeting!

  Poetic justice that this obsession with numbers is backfiring on them - and instead, is causing the numbers to fall.(Plus the fact that they talk a lot of pure s*#t to does not help matters too much!)
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  Did You Ever Enjoy Going To Assemblies and Conventions??

  by minimus in

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  every january, they read the letter as to where you'll be "assigned" for the convention and then the our kingdom ministry will detail all the do's and don'ts to remember.

  was going to these things ever enjoyable to you?

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  Reefton Jack

  Unclebruce,

  The character whose songbook you stole two years back could not possibly have been me, on two counts:

  - I broke with THEM over ten years ago.

  - One of the first things I did at that time was get to get both my NWT Bible and my songbook - then heave them both into the nearest fire!
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  Fired! -- Now what do I do?

  by Inkie in

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  i was fired.

  i can't believe it.

  it has come as a total shock.

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  Reefton Jack

  Further to Happydad's comment:

  - Q.Where is the only place you will find a good lawyer?

  - A. The cemetery!
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  Did You Ever Enjoy Going To Assemblies and Conventions??

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  every january, they read the letter as to where you'll be "assigned" for the convention and then the our kingdom ministry will detail all the do's and don'ts to remember.

  was going to these things ever enjoyable to you?

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  Reefton Jack

  NO!

  Having grown up in a remote area, I never could (and still can't) tolerate crowds, and the feeling of being shut in.

  I put up with it, though, for a long time:

  - I thought that there must be something wrong with me

  - That maybe there was a point that I was somehow missing.

  Mind you, that mirrored my whole experience in my time with the JWs.
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  would you go back if...

  by what_Truth? in

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  a member of the gb splits breaks away and takes a few billion with him.

  he decideds to found his own church.

  this church is almost exactly the same as the jehovah's witneses except for a few major changes .

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  Reefton Jack

  Like hell!

  F#*^ all bloody religion.
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  Encouraged NOT to have kids

  by JustTickledPink in

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  2. friends

  i was just thinking about the publisher stats and the birth rate, that was mentioned.. do you all remember in the 80's at the assemblies everyone was encouraged not to have children, to spend their time pioneering, because at armeggedon and in the time of the "tribulation" that it would be difficult with small kids.... to wait until the new system.. i remember a couple that pioneered and she really wanted kids, so her husband made her a deal that they had to pioneer for 5 more years and if the "end" hadn't come yet, they could have kids.

  i think they were reaching 30. i do remember 5 years went by and they had a son, that was probably 15 years ago.

  can you imagine the people that followed the advice and now are too old to have kids, but spent plenty of time pioneering?.

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  Reefton Jack

  Balsam's comments remind me of a magazine article early in 1973 entitled "Making a Success of Singleness."

  We were all supposed to put off getting married, and go pioneering instead - after all, the end was coming in 1975, wasn't it!

  Yes - the Society DID strongly discourage getting married / having children, and going to university (I was stopped from going to university by an elder. I also allowed the same bright boy to talk me into abandoning my apprenticeship 12 months later - yeah, the end was coming in 1975 all-right!)